Talk:Capra (genus)

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Does anyone know how long it takes for a kid (just born goat) to mature enough to mate and how long gestation takes?
yes, and it takes 4 years
-pattyman

Tree Climbing & Eating Everything

aya is a goat I come from a goat farm (if that can be imagined). Our goats can, and have climbed trees -- this is true -- however, only certain trees are suitable for goats to climb. Trees that are easy for goats to climb are usually: 1. on a bit of an angle; 2. have a large circumference; 3. have bark that provides good footing (like big lumps, grooves, and irregularities).

Usually if a goat can climb a tree it won't be long before all of them are climbing on it -- and in time they will end up killing it. Also, if the tree is close to the barn, they can (and will) climb onto the roof.

Just a comment on the stereotype that goats eat everything: Goats do not eat everything, but they DO seem to chew on everything (which is where the stereotype comes from). Things I've seen goats chew on: tin (ie: siding on the barn); dried paint; tree bark (we used to have a few maple trees until the goats chewed off all the bark [to get to the sap] and killed them); wood panels; ropes & strings; clothing; and the list goes on and on. --Animus9 05:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Cool comment! Fits with what I have seen on goats climbing trees. (It's more like a crawling/pulling up thing) Dysmorodrepanis 03:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool indeed... but it's original research! --User:Yuletide 140.233.97.93 (talk)

Goat Milk

The odour (and taste) of any milk is mainly dependent on what the animals eat. It's incorrect to suggest that goat milk contains an odour that is not present in other milk. As any dairy farmer will tell you -- if your animals eat a bunch of weeds (or other stuff they're not supposed to be in to) you can expect weird smelling/tasting milk. This is equally true of Cows milk.

The commercial goat milk I've drank is usually indistinguishable from that of cows milk. As for farm milk -- well -- that depends entirely on how well regulated the goats' food is. --Animus9 02:10, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you've ever had goat stomach, you'll know how disusting it is.
But the milk is pretty good, it's really frothy

That's true. I had goat milk at a farmer's and they had also cream made from another batch of milk. The cream had a strongish taste, I did not like it. The milk, OTOH, was like fresh cow's milk, only richer, and kind of thicker. Dysmorodrepanis 03:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it true that snakes hate goat smell?

I was told by someone, probably old wives' tale that snakes hate the smell of goats and don't dare come near the presence of goat/s. Is this true? If yes, is it verifiable to be put in wikipedia?--Idleguy 04:11, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Not to the best of my knowledge -- nor have I ever observed this to be true. --142.161.206.85 17:50, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This appears to be based on the idea that the markhor (which reputedly means "snake eater" in Persian) eats snakes. Needless to say, this is quite unlikely for a herbivore, but it seems well-entrenched (killing snakes by trampling is another matter). Whatever the reason, the roots of the idea that goats are arch-enemies of snakes seem to lie there, and this likely inspired the stories of snakes hating goat smell (which are probably not supported by any scientific observations). JRM · Talk 18:29, 22 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Alright seriously, who goes online and repeatedly vandalizes an article about goats? Why would you do that? I swear, 15-year-olds should not be allowed to use the internet. Pulsemeat

re: "Goats are the only animals with an innate sense of democracy. That's why they're sometimes referred to as "nature's president" [edit]

I question the appropriateness of this sentence in a reference work without stronger reasoning or a cited source. It is an extraordinary claim and frivilous, in my opinion. By definition democracy is a human pursuit and at best, goats live in a heirarchy with the alphas gaining their position by strength and agression. I will cut this sentence out unless someone says otherwise or can help me see the light!

Whoever the person is that wrote the sentence above,
needs to learn to use breaks in there response. Pattyman 00:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kosherific

Did you know goats are kosher? (Especially if they've been baa mitzvah'd) Trekphiler 17:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC) (Sorry)[reply]

Together with milk, they're not... 惑乱分からん 18:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yaron?

The animal most commonly known as a "YARON" the domestic goat

What would this mean? Is it vandalism? 惑乱分からん 18:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beryl The Goat

why not come along and meet Beryl the goat taking the world by storm fun filled goat facts and pictures and discussions about anything farm related just point your browser to http://www.berylthegoat.co.uk you wont be sorry ;)

This is just a run-of-the-mill bulletin board having nothing to do with goats. Lambiam ^Talk 07:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Goat deserves a separate article

I moved Goat to Capra (genus) to fill a void left by Capra having been made a disambiguation page with a redlink Capra (genus). While not ideal, I thought this was the best quick solution among several, a main rationale being that the article as it stands has mainly the Capra genus as its topic. I feel, though, that the (domestic) goat deserves an article on its own. For that reason I did not adjust any Goat links; what is a redirect now could become a direct tomorrow. Lambiam ^Talk 07:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had not realized there was already an article Domestic goat. So I made Goat now a redirect to Domestic goat, which starts off with: "For general information on goats, including mythology and wild species, see Capra." Lambiam ^Talk 07:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taxonomy

Taxonomy is in need of a more thorough dicussion. While the picture-table approach is nice, it tends to make the page hard to read, layout-wise. Try Mol.Phyl.Evol.40:739–749 for a very interesting paper on taxonomy. Dysmorodrepanis 03:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the article

I think we should use the term Goats or Wild goats for this article and perhaps call the Goat article Domestic goat. What do you think about that?--Altaileopard (talk) 15:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge

This article (Capra (genus)) covers almost exactly the same subject as (Ibex). I propose they are merged into the Capra one. Any thoughts? Richard New Forest (talk) 20:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No comments after a couple of months: any objections if I merge the articles? Richard New Forest (talk) 13:55, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still no comments, so merge done. Richard New Forest (talk) 22:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Richard New Forest: I see you went ahead with this merge. Although I am not goat expert, and while the content on Capra may have been very similar to that under Ibex, I recently tried to visit the article on Ibexes, and was brought, surprisingly, to the one on Capra, where I then had to look for information on actual ibexes... Wikipedia really shouldn't be organized that way. If "ibex" is a legitimately separate topic from that of "goat", then it needs to have a separate namespace under "ibex". I am going to have a look at the old ibex article and will share some more thoughts with you then. A loose noose (talk) 00:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've had my look. The article on Ibexes was very different from the current one on Capra, and I really think the redirect needs to be undone so that the topics are under different namespaces. I am going to try to implement this change and see if I can do it. A loose noose (talk) 00:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if you realised, but my merge was nearly ten years ago, and the situation has been stable since. The Ibex article which you have resurrected still covers almost exactly the same ground as Capra. At the moment I can't see any good reason to separate them, as all the species of Capra are wild goats with the only exception being the domesticated form of C aegagrus. Therefore the only distinction between ibexes and other wild goats is the use of the word "ibex". As per WP:NOTDICT (see particularly the very first of the listed major items), WP articles are about things, not the words used to describe them. Can you think of any more substantial reason to keep the two articles separate? (Please also see my message on your talk page.) Richard New Forest (talk) 22:37, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 09:19, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capra (genus) → Capra — Capra, a fairly prominent group of animals, is the clear primary topic for "Capra"; the other meanings of the term are some obscure band and a bunch of people whose surname is "Capra". Ucucha 00:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capra → Capra (disambiguation)

Oppose because although the genus may be the primary topic to some people it is not necessarily the primary topic (if one exists). Frank Capra is a quite notable person, and it looks like incoming links to Capra could do with some disambiguating. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 06:50, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I've cleaned up those links to the dab page. TJRC (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The primary topic is arguably Frank Capra, not the genus. PC78 (talk) 16:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Frank Capra is the apparent primary topic, if any article is. This is best left as a DAB page. TJRC (talk) 18:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Contradictions

In the list and in the text the East Caucasian Tur is listed as a subspecies of the West Caucasian Tur. In another part of the text and the table it's listed as a distinct species.Capra walie (talk) 01:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get this ?

<<Today, nine species are usually accepted>>

But there is 10 species listed just under. Is that intended ? Gimly24 (talk) 15:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]